Gossip and Fame
When it makes sense, I like it, despite myself
By DavidMKeirsey on 05-27-2008
In my goal to identify well-known and interesting examples of all the temperaments (to help people better understand and appreciate temperament), I have been noticing social situations that I normally would not be interested in or bother with.
Donald Trump, Barbara Walters, and Rosie O’Donnell: three famous people. They are very much part of the current modern culture, and good examples of how temperament plays out in this mass media part of America and increasingly the globalized World.
In my quest for illustrative material, it has been difficult to find famous people that are clearly Guardians, especially female Provider Guardians, like Barbara Walters. Luckily, she just published her autobiography, Audition, about seventy years in the making. (No, she will not give her exact age.) On the other hand, Artisans are the easiest to spot, but they typically don’t explain themselves much. Luckily, the Artisan Donald Trump has many books about his favorite subject, himself. Similar to Donald, Rosie has a few books on her favorite subject - herself, Celebrity Detox, being the latest.
The tizzy fit between Rosie and Donald, an elementary school yard affair writ large across the nation’s media landscape, can give you a better understanding of human behavior. It’s a rare situation to get three points of view, which we do have in this case. It helps if one understands temperament, and because these players give us some of the thoughts they were thinking, from their own perspective, we can clearly see the role of temperament in this affair.
Donald Trump, a very rich Promoter Artisan, and Rosie O’Donnell, a very rich Promoter Artisan, are very similar in this regard. Their feud, started by Rosie, was beneficial for both: because publicity (fame) in the form of gossip is one of their currencies.
As Barbara Walters supposedly said (according to Rosie), “Rosie and Donald are high-spirited, opinionated people. “Auntie Barbara” tried to calm the children down. Make nice, children. But, Trump and O’Donnell were too smart for her and the public, they implicitly knew publicity is what makes them money. Fame can pay; it has value: infamy or fame can be taken to the bank, if you are smart enough. Rosie and Donald are certainly smart enough to know it. How do you think they became very rich? Promoters are natural marketers; they maneuver the media to pay attention to them.
Rosie, now a feminist shock jock, had become famous for her mouth. A very generous Artisan, she has represented the working class Jane Doe, an unabashed fan of celebrities. Starting as a comedian, her quick and biting wit soon got her into acting. Becoming a talk show host, she became famous and rich. She gives to charity causes that she can relate too. She is a good example of the generous Artisan spirit.
Shooting from the hip and opinionated, not particularly precise with her facts, Rosie has a following of those who are curious on what she might pop off next. Joining The View, her over the top and off the cuff opinions, made that very popular woman talk show even more popular.
As Barbara Walters said, “The premise of The View is that of a team working together, but for Rosie it was more like Diana Ross and the Supremes, as little by little she took over. Still, she was such a talent that we lived with it.”
Donald Trump, a “snake oil salesman” according to Rosie, “had gone bankrupt.” Oops, that is not technically correct, Rosie. Donald Trump had financial trouble in the 80’s and 90’s but he never went personally bankrupt. Barbara, on vacation, knew this. She tried to smooth over the affair, but Trump wouldn’t let it go. Donald Trump is the grandmaster of self-promotion. Besides writing many books, he has Trump University, and his own self-help advice audio tapes. One of his pieces of advice, in Think Big and Kick Ass in Business and Life (2007), is essentially, “if someone does you wrong, hit back but ten times harder. Don’t take guff from bullies.” And he does what he advises. He hit back at Rosie, hard. A “fat ass, degenerate, lesbian” and any other epithets he could think of, in all media outlets that would carry his “response.” The media ate it up. The tabloids loved it.
Rosie responded in her book. “… Not only had I threatened his manhood – me a degenerate, obese lesbian – to him this is unfathomable – but a woman like me had had the gall to criticize him, to claim he’d been bankrupt, to say he’d made his fortune from Papa, that pageants are innately misogynistic, that he is a pompous idiot.”
Rosie continues, “These are hard harsh judgments, I know. And judgments equally hard and harsh could be made of me. My hypocrisy, for instance, my constant criticism of fame and money and my unwillingness to give either up. My superwoman save-the-day narcissism that says it serves everyone but oftentimes serves mostly me. I know my flaws. I am willing to admit them or hear them. Every flaw is an essential part of the prism. From one direction it’s a mistake. Tilt it to the right, though, let the sun shine it now, and it glows with integrity.”
Brutally sincere in the moment, tough, and competitive, these two Promoter Artisans are realistic and do what works. They can change their minds a hundred and eighty degrees in an instance, and can hold contradictory views like a professional juggler, -- self-justifying their actions lighting quick; they are the masters of spin. The American public can’t get enough them, and Donald and Rosie fight and laugh all the way to the bank.
Donald Trump, Barbara Walters, and Rosie O’Donnell: three famous people. They are very much part of the current modern culture, and good examples of how temperament plays out in this mass media part of America and increasingly the globalized World.
In my quest for illustrative material, it has been difficult to find famous people that are clearly Guardians, especially female Provider Guardians, like Barbara Walters. Luckily, she just published her autobiography, Audition, about seventy years in the making. (No, she will not give her exact age.) On the other hand, Artisans are the easiest to spot, but they typically don’t explain themselves much. Luckily, the Artisan Donald Trump has many books about his favorite subject, himself. Similar to Donald, Rosie has a few books on her favorite subject - herself, Celebrity Detox, being the latest.
The tizzy fit between Rosie and Donald, an elementary school yard affair writ large across the nation’s media landscape, can give you a better understanding of human behavior. It’s a rare situation to get three points of view, which we do have in this case. It helps if one understands temperament, and because these players give us some of the thoughts they were thinking, from their own perspective, we can clearly see the role of temperament in this affair.
Donald Trump, a very rich Promoter Artisan, and Rosie O’Donnell, a very rich Promoter Artisan, are very similar in this regard. Their feud, started by Rosie, was beneficial for both: because publicity (fame) in the form of gossip is one of their currencies.
As Barbara Walters supposedly said (according to Rosie), “Rosie and Donald are high-spirited, opinionated people. “Auntie Barbara” tried to calm the children down. Make nice, children. But, Trump and O’Donnell were too smart for her and the public, they implicitly knew publicity is what makes them money. Fame can pay; it has value: infamy or fame can be taken to the bank, if you are smart enough. Rosie and Donald are certainly smart enough to know it. How do you think they became very rich? Promoters are natural marketers; they maneuver the media to pay attention to them.
Rosie, now a feminist shock jock, had become famous for her mouth. A very generous Artisan, she has represented the working class Jane Doe, an unabashed fan of celebrities. Starting as a comedian, her quick and biting wit soon got her into acting. Becoming a talk show host, she became famous and rich. She gives to charity causes that she can relate too. She is a good example of the generous Artisan spirit.
Shooting from the hip and opinionated, not particularly precise with her facts, Rosie has a following of those who are curious on what she might pop off next. Joining The View, her over the top and off the cuff opinions, made that very popular woman talk show even more popular.
As Barbara Walters said, “The premise of The View is that of a team working together, but for Rosie it was more like Diana Ross and the Supremes, as little by little she took over. Still, she was such a talent that we lived with it.”
Donald Trump, a “snake oil salesman” according to Rosie, “had gone bankrupt.” Oops, that is not technically correct, Rosie. Donald Trump had financial trouble in the 80’s and 90’s but he never went personally bankrupt. Barbara, on vacation, knew this. She tried to smooth over the affair, but Trump wouldn’t let it go. Donald Trump is the grandmaster of self-promotion. Besides writing many books, he has Trump University, and his own self-help advice audio tapes. One of his pieces of advice, in Think Big and Kick Ass in Business and Life (2007), is essentially, “if someone does you wrong, hit back but ten times harder. Don’t take guff from bullies.” And he does what he advises. He hit back at Rosie, hard. A “fat ass, degenerate, lesbian” and any other epithets he could think of, in all media outlets that would carry his “response.” The media ate it up. The tabloids loved it.
Rosie responded in her book. “… Not only had I threatened his manhood – me a degenerate, obese lesbian – to him this is unfathomable – but a woman like me had had the gall to criticize him, to claim he’d been bankrupt, to say he’d made his fortune from Papa, that pageants are innately misogynistic, that he is a pompous idiot.”
Rosie continues, “These are hard harsh judgments, I know. And judgments equally hard and harsh could be made of me. My hypocrisy, for instance, my constant criticism of fame and money and my unwillingness to give either up. My superwoman save-the-day narcissism that says it serves everyone but oftentimes serves mostly me. I know my flaws. I am willing to admit them or hear them. Every flaw is an essential part of the prism. From one direction it’s a mistake. Tilt it to the right, though, let the sun shine it now, and it glows with integrity.”
Brutally sincere in the moment, tough, and competitive, these two Promoter Artisans are realistic and do what works. They can change their minds a hundred and eighty degrees in an instance, and can hold contradictory views like a professional juggler, -- self-justifying their actions lighting quick; they are the masters of spin. The American public can’t get enough them, and Donald and Rosie fight and laugh all the way to the bank.
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Posted by AlexBond on May 28, 2008
Do you like Promoters Mr. Keirsey? |
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Posted by AlexBond on May 28, 2008
I know its open ended, but it seems as though you think they're a but to shifty. |
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Posted by AlexBond on May 28, 2008
bit* |
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Posted by DavidMKeirsey on May 29, 2008
Do I "like" Promoters? I do not have any Promoter friends at the moment, but then I border on being a recluse, that doesn't say much; and I am normally very cautious in making friends with anybody. I am hard to get know personally, as science-oriented Architect Rationals are normally. Generally, I am a misanthrope. I was born a skeptic, and I have learned to observe individuals very closely. But I do admire, from a far, several famous Promoter Artisans: Winston Churchill, Teddy Roosevelt, George Patton, Arnold Schwartzenegger, and Donald Trump are few that come to mind. Without the efforts of George Patton, I doubt I would exist. In other words, I think that there is place for people that have talents that I do not have. Of all the types, Promoters can be the most "shifty," but there are plenty of stand up Promoters. If you are going to deal with a Promoter, be on their good side. If you are on their bad side, watch out. Donald Trump and Rosie O'Donnell are generous people, certainly more generous than I am. I personally have a problem with Rosie, because of her politics and her fuzzy (and error-filled) thinking, not because of her temperament. |
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Posted by AlexBond on May 29, 2008
ok, i see, that explained it :). Thanks. |
Great article! Loved the details! Well researched and analyzed. Thank you for providing such interesting insight into Artisan Promoter's behaviors and shanannigins.